what RPM does it idle at while cold?So I'm trying to figure it out. Is there a way to tell what software you have? I just bought mine and haven't had any of the issues people are reporting and I ride it every day. But I'm also planning on modifying it. It already has the akra baffles removed. Want to add the headers, but I'm concerned with the lack of tuning options. Does this mean than if I have the latest greatest updated software, which I'm sure I do, my only option is to ship my ecu in? Like that's it? I only ask since it's my only transportation. If my bike goes down I only got my chevrolegs
I just got home from riding so it's all warmed up, but when I go ride tomorrow I will be sure to checkwhat RPM does it idle at while cold?
Yes there is literally a single tuner available. That's what I mean by that. So my last bike there were like 4-5 plus all the additional stuff like auto tuners wideband o2 sensors etc."Concerned at the lack of tuning options" Really???
^^NO lack of tuning options at all. Where are you getting your misinformation from? Remote tuning is available from both of the reputable tuners Ryan or Fuelmoto if you buy a PV3 from them. There is more information on this than you have time to read on both forums, do your research.
Whoever you choose to provide their tuning services you will not be disappointed in the results. Best to combine the tune and any exhaust changes you do at the same time as this will prevent you going back and forth asking and waiting for updates.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying by tuners, i mean devices with which we can tune the motorcycle ourselves, or have a local shop do it. AFAIK there is only one and that's the pv-3. There's thousands of human beings that can tune a dynojet power commander, a screaming eagle, a thundermax, a FP3, a Cobra Fi2000, a TTS mastertune. I myself have a multitude of experience tuning with the Screaming eagle tuner and it's PC software. I like that level of control. I have no experience with the PV-3. I doubt many local tuners would either, which is what I meant by lack of tuners available. I don't have a big issue with using one of these TWO guys, but quit acting like TWO guys is a lot of options. Sounds to me it's the only two options....Deplorable one. There are certainly more than one single tuner available, I mentioned two in my post. There are also other tuners that profess to be able to tune your bike but they don't have the specific great FTR results and Indian fan-base of the two I mentioned.
Hence my initial statement, "lack of tuning options" you keep agreeing AND disagreeing with my posts, weird bro....anyway like I said I'm trying for clarification and you're over here with what seems like no actual technical info for me, just some weird infatuation with 2 tuners being enough....I'm sure they're great. I was just trying to understand if the prevailing opinion is that sending in my ecu or flashing it from home were the two options, and if so which is better. Also if I have a specific AH2 software if that means I have to send it in rather than do an at home tune. The way the OP reads I have to send it in, hence my question since it's my primary mode of transpoWhy take it to a local shop when you can do it from the comfort of your own home? The level of access I think you are on about where you can change your own settings and parameters most people I assume don't really need or want it, for me the possibility of messing up big time would be too great. The two guys are certainly not the only two options this side of the pond. Could be your options may be limited your side of the pond? Me I stick with those that have a proven track record and great feedback. The PV 3 is a very capable tool and by nature is quite new. We all have to eventually embrace change and leave the older flash tuning systems behind. Shame you couldn't have kept the Harley as you would have been able to keep your multitude of experience and level of control with the Screaming Eagle in hand. A point of interest here is with the Screaming Eagle systems the dealerships over here will not give you the connecting leads after installation, only the tool itself. Too many people who 'think' that they are tuning aficionados have twiddled and tweaked only to end up crying in their coffee afterwards facing a huge repair bill. Nature of the beast I suppose that the PV 3 is the only tool for the FTR.
If your post had perhaps been clearer there would have been no misunderstanding for which I apologize. My local dealership Moore Speed Racing carries out tuning but admittedly they themselves are finding it difficult getting to grips with the PV 3. Have a look at FTRUK's posts commencing at post #10 of this very thread.
That is capitalism and the marketplace in action. It is what it is.Yes there is literally a single tuner available. That's what I mean by that. So my last bike there were like 4-5 plus all the additional stuff like auto tuners wideband o2 sensors etc.
No ambiguity here:
There are only two totally non prevailing choices.
1. Ryan and Fuelmoto. Send in your ECU or home flash with the first, home flash only with the second.
2. Either way the ONLY device ANYONE can reflash your ECU remotely is with a PV 3.
Which is 'better' is a matter of opinion and this argument has been done to death, whatever someone buys into it is human nature often to profess that what you have is the best.
If it's charts, PV 3 evolution and development with the FTR and technical info you're after there is quite a bit in this thread.
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To quantify and justify using the services of either Ryan or Fuelmoto I agreed with your point raised and used Moore Speed Racing's difficulties getting to grips with the PV 3 and FTRUK's experience as an example. All the information you need is readily available at your fingertips. No point realistically berating the lack of choices available to you when the two best providers can both yield fantastic results and if you are not happy they will continue to work with you until it is right.
Your bike your choice. It shouldn't be too difficult a choice to make perhaps? I am only trying to help and can offer assistance only based on the information you type.
It was my understanding that with the initial factory software that LLoyds' V5 version used with the PV3 would include logs and upgraded tunes. And the factory upgraded software was only available as V6, the ECU reprogram....I did go back to LLoyds with these concerns and was told the idle will sort itself out, the bike will run rough until at temp even with a remap, and that they don't accept logs; basically they can't or won't make any changes based on my feedback. I will ride the bike a bit more but am leaning towards going with FuelMoto as they seem to be willing to tweak the map to your bike...
I don't know what you mean here. With V5 you do not have to send in logs. You do need to tell Ryan what your exhaust config is. There's basically three choices:It was my understanding that with the initial factory software that LLoyds' V5 version used with the PV3 would include logs and upgraded tunes.
That's what I was trying to sort out, if I HAD to or if it was just optional. There will be a few weeks here in August where it's over 115° and I probably will send it in then. Now at least I understand it enough to contact one of the tuners to square it away. That was my only question and it turned into some sort of argument over lack of tuners. I guess one tuning device is great IF it works, but if not then sending in the ecu is the only option I just wanted to know so I can plan some time to be without my bike down a couple weeks.You dont HAVE to send it if you have AH2, but if you want the smoothest and most flawless tune then you should. FM has a "revB" tune that some people seem to like with the new software, and some dont, I know some people have bought revB from FM and ended up having to send their ECU to ryan to have it flashed anyway, just wasting more money and time.
Yes there are two MAIN tuners, but there are several little tune shops around who you can get it from. But with how quirky the open/closed loop ECU system is on the FTR, its difficult to get a tune built to make it run smoothly, especially if you delete the CAT, thats why the two big tuners are prevalent, as they started building tunes and gathering data as soon as the bike was released in early 2019.
And thats another reason why only the PV3 is the only hand held you can use, because dynojet was one of the only ones willing to put in the time to make a tuner. Even if you take it to a smaller tuning shop, they will still have to load the tune via PV3, unless they spent thousands on the computer to be able to bench flash the ecu.